Things I still don’t know…

8 08 2008

For those of you who don’t want to watch an 80’s video with bad sound, here are the claims that I still have not been able to figure out.  Are these claims just so obscure, no one can figure them out?  Here’s what I have left (edited to add – thoughts and possible solutions have been added in italics since the intial post):

1. The leadoff hitter (he actually says Toronto Blue Jays leadoff hitter Damaso Garcia, so it’s not a play on words) of a team can come to bat nine straight innings and his team can lose 1-0. (william in comments notes a forfeited game goes in the record book as a 1-0 loss.  Damasco could leadoff every inning with a hit, and if the game is later foreited, the team would lose 1-0)

3. A pitcher can only give up walks and HRs and still win. (Perhaps a pitcher enters a tie game, gives up a HR, a walk, and then the base runner is thrown out stealing.  The pitcher gets the out but still shows only giving up the HR and BB.  His team bats and takes the lead, making him the winning pitcher.)

5. A pitcher can win a game even if he belongs to the losing team. (So far, the only thing come up with is if a pitcher is traded in the middle of a game.  Doesn’t feel right, but, for lack of better options, we’ll go with it)

7. A batter can take four called strikes in the same offical at bat and not strike out.

Any ideas?

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10 responses

8 08 2008
William Noetling

1 – Forfeits are officially entered into the records as a 1-0 win, so perhaps that’s it.

I have no idea about the others.

8 08 2008
handcollated

Good call.

Anyone else?

8 08 2008
Don

5. Is possible if the pitcher gets pulled and his team goes ahead in the next at bat. There have been pitchers who get wins without throwing a pitch.

8 08 2008
handcollated

Don –
If that pitcher gets pulled and his team wins, then he’s not on the losing team.

The only thing I thought of is if the pitcher goes 5 innings, his team is in the lead and then is traded to the other team which never comes back. He would thus get a win, but still end up on the losing team.

Anyone else think this is the answer?

9 08 2008
Jeff

I think Don was trying to say, for example, that if a pitcher completes an inning with his team trailing, then they take the lead in their next at bat, only he is replaced before his team takes the field again. Then he would be the winning pitcher, not the reliever.
Another possible situation would be if the home pitcher relinquished the lead in the top of the sixth inning, and then rain came. If they call the game it would go back to the fifth inning when the home team was winning, giving the pitcher the win when he was losing. All stats after the fifth are negated.

9 08 2008
Jeff

For # 3, a reliever could come into a game with a big lead before the fifth inning (which only a starter must get to to earn a win), give up a walk and a home run, get pulled, and still get the win becuase he was the first reliever after the starter was pulled.

For # 7, if a batter is up with two outs, takes two strikes, a baserunner gets caught stealing, the inning would be over and he would lead off the next inning. Then he would have to take two called strikes during his next at bat.

As for # 1, I have no idea how that could be possible. I hope this helped!

9 08 2008
handcollated

Jeff –

I see what you are saying. But #5 is that a winning pitcher can be on the losing team. I don’t think he means losing at the time of the pitchers entry, but rather when the game is over the team gets a loss, however their pitcher gets a win.

Reference #3, the pitcher that got the team out of the inning would get credit with the win, not the first pitcher after the reliever. And if he only gives up walks and HRs, then he cannot get credit for an out.

It just occurred to me if a runner gets thrown out stealing, though, then the pitcher would show only giving up BB and HRs, but he’d still be out of the inning. Then his team takes the lead, and that pitcher would get the win.

For #7, the requirement is the same offical at bat. The scenario you have means he’d have two different at bats, so I’m not sure that counts. Anyone?

11 08 2008
yankee

For #7 in the 1900 a batter can take 5 strikes.

11 08 2008
yankee

for #1 it never said that it is a nine player game it is like a 3 or 4 player game.

14 08 2008
Tony - The Football Card Blog

I think you’re right on for #5–I think it has happened before, but the game was suspended (rain delay), the player was traded to the opposing team, and then they restarted the game the next time the visiting team was in town. Seems to me I’ve heard that one before.

Not sure on #7, but Jeff might be right–technically, the first AB (when the baserunner is thrown out) doesn’t count as an official AB, so it might be that the announcer is considering the two together one ‘official’ AB.

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